Indiana to Nebraska: residential contractor license reciprocity
Indiana does not issue a statewide residential contractor license, so there is nothing to transfer. Here is Nebraska's standard path for out-of-state applicants.
Your origin state does not issue a statewide license at this level, so there is no license to transfer. The destination's standard out-of-state path is shown; expect to meet it in full.
Reference only, not legal advice. Rules change; confirm with the licensing board before you apply. Full disclaimer.
Everyone registers with the state the same way; an out-of-state contractor license transfers nothing
Your out-of-state credentials give no advantage. You meet the destination's requirements from scratch.
A residential contractor licensed in another state registers with the Nebraska Department of Labor exactly as a first-time applicant does, and holding that license neither helps nor hinders the application. The department does not review, verify or credit out-of-state credentials, and it has nothing to waive: the Contractor Registration Act contains no examination, no experience requirement, no competency test and no reciprocity provision, and the statutory application never asks about a license held anywhere else. Nebraska also does not participate in the NASCLA Accredited Examination program, because the state holds no contractor examination for that examination to replace. Coming from out of state changes one thing only: if the business's principal place of business is outside Nebraska, the application must give that address and telephone number and also name a registered agent in Nebraska, with the agent's address and Nebraska telephone number. Everything else is the same for everyone - identify the business and its owners or officers, make the sales and use tax option election, file a workers' compensation certificate of insurance or a signed statement that coverage is not required, describe the business, and pay the annual fee. The registration number arrives within 30 days of a complete application, and no construction work may be performed in Nebraska before it is issued. The registration is not a license to build in any particular city; check separately what Omaha, Lincoln or the local building department requires.
The 30-day figure is the statute's own deadline in Neb. Rev. Stat. 48-2108: the commissioner issues the registration number within thirty days of receiving a completed application, and the number is five digits followed by two digits for the year of issuance. Registration is renewed annually through the same online profile at dol.nebraska.gov/conreg. Registered contractors appear in a public database maintained by the Department of Labor with the Department of Revenue that shows whether each one carries workers' compensation insurance, is self-insured, or is a sole proprietor with no employees, and a contractor who falls out of compliance is removed from it. Working without a registration draws a citation and an administrative penalty of up to $500 for a first violation and up to $5,000 for a second or later one, with fifteen working days to contest. Contractor Registration: (402) 471-2239, [email protected], 550 S. 16th Street, Lincoln, NE 68508.
At a glance
- Trade exam
- Waived
- Law / code exam
- Not required
- Out-of-state hours
- Do not count
- Typical processing
- About 30 days
What you must already have
- Registration is required of every contractor and subcontractor before performing any construction work in Nebraska. A person who works only on their own property, or who earns less than $5,000 a year for construction services, is not a contractor under the act and does not register - but that exemption does not remove state income tax withholding obligations.Neb. Rev. Stat. 48-2104. The definition of contractor in 48-2103 reaches an individual, firm, partnership, limited liability company, corporation or other association engaged in construction, alteration, repair, dismantling or demolition, including property built 'to be held either for sale or rental', and it expressly includes subcontractors and anyone providing or arranging labor for that work.
- A contractor doing business under more than one name must obtain a separate registration number for each name. Changing the form of the business, for example from a sole proprietorship to a corporation, cannot be handled as an amendment and requires a new registration.Neb. Rev. Stat. 48-2104(1) and 48-2106(3). Any other change in the information on file must be reported within fifteen days, and a change in workers' compensation coverage at least ten days before it takes effect.
- Nebraska asks for no trade experience, apprenticeship hours, education, references or examination result at state level, so documented years of homebuilding in another state neither shorten nor replace any step of registration.The application contents are listed exhaustively at Neb. Rev. Stat. 48-2105 and none of them is a qualification. Competency requirements in Nebraska are set by cities such as Omaha under their own building codes.
What you'll do to get licensed in Nebraska
- 1Application fee. Pay the application fee ($40). Contractor registration fee, payable with each application and each annual renewal. The Department of Labor's published notice is that the 'Contractor Registration annual fee increases to $40.00 effective August 1, 2026', and the statute caps the fee at forty dollars. No fee is charged for an amendment to an existing application. Registration is renewed each year by logging into the same profile at dol.nebraska.gov/conreg; if the email address on the profile is no longer active, contact the department before creating a new profile or registration, so that the existing registration is not duplicated..
- 2Insurance. Carry the required insurance. Workers' compensation: a certificate or policy of insurance from a carrier authorized to do business in Nebraska showing the effective dates of coverage, filed as an ACORD 25 naming the Nebraska Department of Labor as the certificate holder. A self-insured employer files the certificate approving self-insurance privileges from the Nebraska Workers' Compensation Court instead, and a contractor who is not required to carry coverage files a signed statement saying so. Keeping the certificate current is the contractor's responsibility: a contractor whose coverage has expired is removed from the list of registered contractors until the insurance agency sends an updated certificate, and the commissioner must revoke the registration where coverage lapses. A revoked registration is never permanently reinstated - the contractor has to reapply for a new number. Certificates may be emailed to [email protected] or faxed to 402-471-5039..
- 3Business license. Obtain a business license. Business identification and, for an out-of-state business, a Nebraska registered agent. The application requires the contractor's federal employer identification number, or the owner's Social Security number for an individual; the type of entity; the name, address, telephone number and position of every corporate officer, or the name, address and telephone number of each owner; and a description of the business with its standard industrial classification code or its principal products and services. Where the principal place of business is outside Nebraska, the application must give that out-of-state address and telephone number and also the name, address and Nebraska telephone number of a registered agent - a person or entity available at a legal Nebraska address at all times to receive legal notices, lawsuits and tax documents on the business's behalf..
- 4Other. The sales and use tax contractor option election, made on the registration application: the choice of how the business will treat purchases of building materials and fixtures annexed to real property for Nebraska sales and use tax. The Nebraska Department of Revenue publishes the options and their consequences on its contractor pages, and the election affects how the business buys materials and bills customers, so it is worth settling with an accountant before filing..
- 5Other. City licensing and permits for the work itself. The state registration is not permission to build in a particular place: Omaha licenses building contractors in Classes A to E with an examination, a bond, liability insurance and annual continuing education, while Lincoln licenses trades and specialties rather than general builders and requires named insurance for each. Confirm with the building department for the address which licenses, registrations, bonds and insurance certificates it needs, and allow time for any board hearing..
- 6Other. Separate trade licensing where the work calls for it. Registration does not authorize electrical work, which is licensed statewide by the Nebraska State Electrical Division, and it does not authorize plumbing, mechanical or HVAC work in cities that license those trades, such as Omaha, Lincoln and Grand Island. A residential builder usually meets these by subcontracting to, or employing, a licensed firm or a certified master or journeyman tradesperson..
Published fees on this path total $40, excluding exam-vendor fees, bonds, and insurance.
What you'll need to buy or arrange
Liability insurance
Some states require proof of general liability or workers' compensation coverage at licensing time.
- Insurance
Business registration
If you plan to contract in your own name, budget for a business license or entity registration on top of the trade license.
- Business license
How Nebraska licenses residential contractors
Nebraska residential contractor · “Nebraska Contractor Registration, plus any city building contractor license”
State license plus local requirements
Nebraska has two layers and a homebuilder or remodeler needs both. The statewide layer is a registration, not a license: under the Contractor Registration Act every contractor and subcontractor doing business in Nebraska must register with the Department of Labor before performing any construction work, and the Legislature said plainly what that does and does not mean - 'it is not the intent of the Legislature to endorse the quality or performance of services provided by any individual contractor', and the department repeats that 'while the registration is a requirement, it does not ensure quality of work or protect against fraud.' There is no examination, no experience requirement, no classification, no bond and no qualifying party in the state process; it exists to tie contractors to workers' compensation coverage and to state tax collection. Anyone who works only on their own property, or who earns less than $5,000 a year from construction services, is outside the act. The second layer is local, and it is where competency is actually tested. Omaha licenses building contractors in Classes A through E under its own building code, with an examination for Classes A, B and C, a $10,000 bond, graduated liability insurance and nine contact hours of continuing education a year. Lincoln takes the opposite approach: it licenses demolition, electrical, HVAC, plumbing, sign, street use and fire contractors, and has no general building contractor license at all, so a remodeler there works from the state registration, city permits and insurance. Other Nebraska cities set their own rules. Nebraska's only statewide competency license in construction is for electricians, through the State Electrical Division.
How local licensing works in Nebraska
How the two layers fit together. The Nebraska Department of Labor registration is required everywhere in the state and is the first thing to get - a city will expect you to have it, and a contractor may not perform construction work in Nebraska without it. It does not entitle you to pull a permit or to hold yourself out as qualified; that comes from the city. Because cities differ sharply, identify the building department with jurisdiction over the address and ask what it licenses before you bid.
Omaha. Permits and Inspections licenses building contractors under Chapter 43, Article IX of the Municipal Code in Classes A, B, C, D and E, plus Master and Journeyman Sign Erector. Classes A and B cost $300.00 plus a $24.00 technology fee and require an examination; Class C costs $200.00 plus a $16.00 technology fee and requires an examination; Class E costs $100.00 plus an $8.00 technology fee and does not require an examination. Class D is now a renewal-only class - the city's own note is that it requires an 'Equivalent License From Another Jurisdiction... The Exam is No Longer Available, Renewal License Only.' The building examinations are published in the National Contractor/Trades Examination Information Bulletin linked from the licensing page. Every license type needs a bond of at least $10,000.00, emailed with the insurance certificate to [email protected], and liability insurance of at least $1,000,000.00 for Classes A and B, $500,000.00 for Class C and $300,000.00 for Classes D and E. Renewal requires proof of nine contact hours of continuing education, which may come from construction-related college courses, from taking part in construction education outreach with school or university students, or from courses through agencies certified by the International Code Council, the American Institute of Architects, the National Association of Home Builders or the Associated General Contractors of America. Applications and renewals run through the Accela portal at OmahaPermits.com. Because the class scopes and the level that fits a given job are set by the building code rather than the licensing page, confirm the class with Permits and Inspections on 402-444-5350 or [email protected] before applying.
Omaha's reciprocal license. This is the one route in Nebraska where holding a contractor license somewhere else is worth something, and it is a city route rather than a state agreement. The requirements as Omaha publishes them are: 'Must hold a valid contractor's license from another jurisdiction'; 'Proof of examination required'; 'Approval by the Building Board of Review'; and 'Payment of required fee - $100.00 + $8.00 Tech Fee.' Applications are filed online at OmahaPermits.com for Building Board of Review approval of reciprocation of a building contractor's license. The board is a seven-member body that also hears building code waivers, appeals from the Superintendent of Permits and Inspections and property maintenance code appeals; reciprocal license applications are heard on a quarterly cycle, so ask Permits and Inspections for the next hearing date and the filing deadline before you plan around it. The board decides case by case and publishes no list of jurisdictions it accepts, so nothing is automatic.
Lincoln. Building and Safety licenses trades and specialties - demolition, electrical, HVAC, plumbing, signs, street use and fire - and certifies master and journeyman tradespeople; there is no Lincoln general building contractor or remodeler license. What a residential builder does need is the state registration, the right permits, and insurance where a licensed trade is involved: liability of at least $500,000 each occurrence for demolition, electrical, HVAC, plumbing, sign, street use and fire alarm work, or $1,000,000 for fire sprinkler and chemical extinguishing work, on a certificate that names 'City of Lincoln as an additional insured' by endorsement, carries a policy number rather than a binder number and is signed by the agent. Plumbing, HVAC, electrical and fire contractors must also list a master's name on the certificate as an insured. No bond is required unless you work in the city right-of-way; sign, street use and excavation contractors post a $5,000 license and permit bond or a cashier's check for the same amount. Documents go to [email protected]; Planning and Development Services is at 555 S 10th Street.
Everywhere else. Bellevue, Grand Island, Kearney, Papillion, La Vista and the rest each run their own building departments, and several license only the trades. None of them treats a license from another state as a qualification. Ask the city which licenses it issues, what insurance it wants and whether it registers contractors at all, and in every case hold the Nebraska Department of Labor registration first.
- Omaha (Permits and Inspections - Building Contractor licenses Class A to E; reciprocal license via the Building Board of Review)
- Lincoln (Building and Safety - trade and specialty contractor licensing; no general building contractor license)
- Nebraska Department of Labor - Contractor Registration (statewide, required before any construction work)
Why Indiana has nothing to transfer
Indiana residential contractor · “Residential Contractor / Residential General Contractor / Home Improvement Contractor (city- or county-issued)”
Licensed by cities and counties
Issued by No state authority; cities and counties license, register or exempt residential contractors
Indiana issues no statewide residential contractor, home builder or remodeler license. The Indiana Professional Licensing Agency's list of state-licensed professions covers plumbing, home inspectors, manufactured home installers, architects and surveyors and contains no residential or general building contractor credential, and the Indiana Department of Homeland Security's Division of Fire and Building Safety enforces the state building code and inspects boilers, elevators and fire safety devices without licensing builders. What Indiana licenses at state level is plumbing, through the Indiana Plumbing Commission at the PLA, plus manufactured home installation and home inspection; electricians and HVAC technicians are licensed by cities and counties too, so a builder who self-performs those trades still qualifies locally. Homebuilding is governed jurisdiction by jurisdiction, and the range is wide: Fort Wayne and Allen County, Evansville and Hammond each run a written competency examination for a residential builder, Indianapolis and South Bend require a bonded and insured company license or registration with no exam, and the Monroe County sign-up that covers Bloomington is voluntary and free. The Indiana Attorney General's own consumer fact sheet says that "licensing requirements vary from community to community" and tells homeowners to check with the city or county building department. A residential contractor moving to Indiana therefore has no state license to transfer and no reciprocity to apply for; the work is qualifying separately in each place where permits will be pulled, and state law separately requires any home improvement contract over $150 to be in writing.
How local licensing works in Indiana
How it works in Indiana. There is no state contractor board, no state application and no state exam, so each city or county writes its own contractor ordinance under the state building code. A residential builder must hold whatever credential the jurisdiction issues in every place where they pull permits, and a license from one Indiana jurisdiction does not carry into the next. The credentials fall into two very different kinds. In Fort Wayne and Allen County, Evansville and Hammond a person sits a written examination and is approved by a licensing board; in Indianapolis and South Bend the license is a business filing backed by a surety bond and insurance with no test at all; and in Monroe County, which covers Bloomington, signing up as a general contractor is optional. Nothing an arriving contractor holds from another state waives any of it, and none of the jurisdictions below publishes a route that converts an out-of-state residential builder license into a local one.
Indianapolis and Marion County. The Department of Business and Neighborhood Services issues a single General Contractor license that covers houses as well as commercial work; the same application form carries checkboxes for Electrical, General, HVAC, Plumbing and Wrecking. The packet is proof of business registration (Indiana Secretary of State, or a county DBA filing for a sole proprietor or partnership), a certificate of insurance naming the Consolidated City of Indianapolis and Marion County as certificate holder and additional insured with general liability of at least $500,000 for each occurrence of death or bodily injury and $100,000 for each occurrence of property damage, or $500,000 per occurrence combined, worker's compensation coverage or a Worker's Compensation Board exemption waiver, and a typed $10,000 license or permit surety bond naming "Consolidated City of Indianapolis and/or an Unknown Third Party" as obligee. Licenses expire on December 31 of even-numbered years and renew every two years; the new-license fee is prorated across the term ($247.00, $185.00 and $124.00 at the three stages published in the current packet) and renewal is $247.00. Up to five authorized agents may be listed free, with $63.00 for each additional agent, and every new license listing must attend an orientation class within 60 days of issuance. There is no examination, experience or qualifying-individual requirement on the General type. Contractor Licensing, 200 E. Washington St., Suite 107, (317) 327-1291, [email protected].
Fort Wayne and Allen County. The Allen County Building Department runs the most structured program in the state, under Allen County Code 6-1-3-3 and its Rules & Regulations. The residential tiers are the Residential Contractors License, "limited to building construction, remodeling, repair, or improvement of one or two-family residences not exceeding two stories in height," and the Home Improvement Contractors License, which covers "improving, remodeling, and repair of existing one- and two-family structures" plus unattached garages and accessory buildings but not additions. Each is a personal license that then qualifies one business registration, and the contractor must also register a full-time Superintendent as the responsible supervisor named on each building permit. The rules state that "examinations shall be required in order for applicants to obtain a license," prepared or administered by the Building Commissioner or an approved testing facility; the exam fee is set by the Commissioner and is not printed in the rules. Annual fees are $60.00 for the Residential Contractors license, $60.00 for Home Improvement Contractors and $25.00 for each Superintendent registration, and every license expires on December 31. A license that lapses for twelve months or more can be revived by paying the outstanding fees, but if the applicable code edition changed during the lapse the holder "must apply for a new license and retest." Allen County does have a reciprocity clause: licensing reciprocity is granted subject to the guidelines for the individual trade and still requires the applicant to meet the county's minimum qualifications, and the Building Commissioner may use discretion for an applicant who presents evidence of the necessary credentials. The guidelines themselves are not published in the rules, so ask the Building Department what it will accept before assuming an out-of-state credential counts.
Evansville. The Building Commission licenses a Residential General Contractor, defined as a person in the business of "wrecking, constructing, installing, repairing, remodeling, or servicing any structural or nonstructural portions of any one- or two-family dwellings and residential or agricultural building, including residential roof coverings and site work." The route is a real qualification: submit the application with three letters of recommendation proving at least four years of experience in the field, wait for board approval to test, then schedule and pay for the exam through Ivy Tech at (812) 429-9852. The exam is open book with tabbed and highlighted references, and 70 percent passes for the contractor categories. A provisional license issues on payment plus proof of insurance and bond, and the Licensing and Disciplinary Board gives final approval on the fourth Thursday of the month. A Residential General Contractor carries general liability insurance of at least $500,000, a $25,000 surety bond on the Commission's own form and worker's compensation coverage or an affidavit of exemption, all within six months of passing the exam. Fees on the published schedule are $210.00 new, $150.00 renewal and $285.00 for a two-year renewal. A homeowner may permit work on their own residence without a license, but footing, foundation, framing and roofing subcontracted outside the immediate family must go to a licensed contractor.
South Bend and St. Joseph County. "All contractors, including subcontractors, must be registered or licensed with the Building Department in order to perform work in St. Joseph County and City of South Bend," except an owner-occupant working on their own single-family dwelling. There is one Building Contractor Registration covering houses and commercial work alike. It is a paperwork registration: the Pre-Licensing Registration Form, a $5,000 surety bond and the $125 registration fee, processed at the counter the same day. No exam, experience or reference requirement applies to it - the only categories the city reviews are Electrical and HVAC, which need a full application packet, a $50 application review fee and ten business days. Building Department, 215 S. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr., Suite 100, [email protected], 574.235.9554.
Hammond and Lake County. Hammond tests residential builders. The Inspections Department issues a Residential General contractor license, and the exams "are given on the first Monday of the month at 10:00 a.m. at the Hammond Sportsplex" - open book, calculators allowed, one hour, 70 percent to pass, on the 2018 IRC with Indiana amendments or the 2020 Indiana Residential Code. The non-refundable examination fee is $100, with a $50 re-examination fee after a missed sitting, and the application must arrive a week before the test date together with a $20 limited criminal history report from the Hammond Police Department. Attendance at the Building Contractors Board, 6:00 p.m. on the first Monday of every month, is mandatory for approval. After approval the licensee files a certificate of insurance naming the City of Hammond with liability of 100,000/300,000 bodily injury and 50,000 property damage, worker's compensation or a waiver, and a $5,000 license and permit bond written in the name of the "Board of Lake County Commissioners, all Cities, Towns and Municipalities of Lake County, Indiana" and recorded at the Lake County Recorder's Office in Crown Point. The license fee is $200.00 initially and $100.00 on renewal, due between January 1 and January 31; licenses expire December 31 and are void if not renewed by June 30. An out-of-state corporation must also file a Certificate of Foreign Registration with the Indiana Secretary of State. The application asks in which localities you are already licensed, but holding a license elsewhere does not excuse the test.
Bloomington and Monroe County. Building permits for Bloomington come from the Monroe County Building Department at 501 N. Morton Street, and the county's licensing program is aimed at the trades rather than at builders. Monroe County licenses Plumbing Journeymen and Plumbing Contractors and Master and Residential Electricians, but its general contractor record is a sign-up, not a license: "this application is voluntary and includes a sign up of General Contractors in the Monroe County area ... there are no fees or attachments required to sign up." Licensees who do hold a county credential must carry public liability and property damage insurance naming Monroe County as an additional assured, at $500,000 combined single limit or $500,000 per occurrence for injury or death and $100,000 for property damage, plus worker's compensation unless they have no employees. Building Department, (812) 349-2580; counter hours for licenses and payments are 9-11 am and 1-3 pm.
Everywhere else. Indiana's other cities and counties set their own rules, and many smaller jurisdictions require only a building permit and proof of insurance. Ask the building or inspections department in each place before contracting there, and remember the statewide consumer rule that applies no matter where you are licensed: a home improvement contract over $150 must be in writing and must state the price, payment schedule, a detailed description of the work and materials, estimated start and completion dates and the contractor's name, address and signature.
- Indianapolis / Marion County (Department of Business and Neighborhood Services - General Contractor license)
- Fort Wayne / Allen County (Building Department - Residential and Home Improvement Contractor licenses, exam required)
- Evansville (Building Commission - Residential General Contractor license, exam and four years' experience)
- South Bend / St. Joseph County (Building Department - Building Contractor registration, no exam)
- Hammond / Lake County (Inspections Department - Residential General contractor license, exam required)
- Bloomington / Monroe County (Building Department - voluntary general contractor sign-up; plumbing and electrical licensed)
Common questions
- Do I have to take the Nebraska residential contractor exam if I'm licensed in Indiana?
- No. The trade exam is waived on this path.
- What does it cost to get a Nebraska residential contractor license from Indiana?
- Published fees on this path total $40, not counting exam vendor fees or bonds.
- Do my Indiana work hours count in Nebraska?
- No. Nebraska does not credit out-of-state hours on this path.
- How long does the application take?
- The board's published or typical processing time is about 30 days.
- Does it work the other way, from Nebraska to Indiana?
- Not necessarily. Reciprocity is directed. Going from Nebraska to Indiana, the mechanism is not applicable.
Sources
- NASCLA Accredited Examination for Commercial General Building Contractors · National Association of State Contractors Licensing Agencies · Other · verified September 17, 2026
- NASCLA Accredited Examination for Commercial General Building Contractors - participating state agencies · National Association of State Contractors Licensing Agencies · Other · verified September 17, 2026
- Nebraska Department of Labor - Contractor Registration (registration portal and public search) · Contractor Registration Act, Neb. Rev. Stat. 48-2101 to 48-2117 · Nebraska Department of Labor · Agency Page · verified September 17, 2026
- Nebraska Department of Labor - Contractor Registration overview and frequently asked questions · Nebraska Department of Labor, Labor Standards · Faq · verified September 17, 2026
- City of Lincoln - Contractor Bond, Insurance, and Registration Requirements · City of Lincoln, Nebraska, Planning and Development Services, Building and Safety · Agency Page · verified September 17, 2026
- City of Omaha Planning Department - Building Board of Review (reciprocal building contractor licenses) · City of Omaha Planning Department · Agency Page · verified September 17, 2026
- City of Omaha Permits and Inspections - Licensing Information (Building contractor classes, fees, bond, insurance, reciprocal license) · Omaha Municipal Code ch. 43, art. IX · City of Omaha Planning Department, Permits and Inspections · Agency Page · verified September 17, 2026
- Neb. Rev. Stat. 48-2102 - Contractor Registration Act; legislative intent · Neb. Rev. Stat. 48-2102 · Nebraska Legislature · Statute · verified September 17, 2026
- Neb. Rev. Stat. 48-2103 - Contractor Registration Act; terms defined · Neb. Rev. Stat. 48-2103 · Nebraska Legislature · Statute · verified September 17, 2026
- Neb. Rev. Stat. 48-2104 - Registration required; exemptions · Neb. Rev. Stat. 48-2104 · Nebraska Legislature · Statute · verified September 17, 2026
- Neb. Rev. Stat. 48-2105 - Registration application; contents; renewal · Neb. Rev. Stat. 48-2105 · Nebraska Legislature · Statute · verified September 17, 2026
- Neb. Rev. Stat. 48-2107 - Contractor registration fees · Neb. Rev. Stat. 48-2107 · Nebraska Legislature · Statute · verified September 17, 2026
- Neb. Rev. Stat. 48-2108 - Registration number · Neb. Rev. Stat. 48-2108 · Nebraska Legislature · Statute · verified September 17, 2026
- Neb. Rev. Stat. 48-2114 - Violation; citation; penalty · Neb. Rev. Stat. 48-2114 · Nebraska Legislature · Statute · verified September 17, 2026
Verified dates are when a person last opened each source and confirmed the facts above. Cite the board, not us.